Bangkok protests: updates and photos

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Bangkok protests: updates and photos

Post by yoursTruly » 02 Dec 2013 00:18

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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by buksida » 02 Dec 2013 07:46

Just a quick reminder to everyone that Bangsaphan is as peaceful as ever and in no way affected by these protests so please don't cancel your holiday this year!

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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by yoursTruly » 02 Dec 2013 09:58

Yes, and of course you don't have to stay in Bangkok after you fly in. There's a bus (so I've been told by a friend who just took it) directly from the BKK airport to Hua Hin, and another one from there to Bang Saphan.
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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by Mike Parker » 02 Dec 2013 10:00

Buses and pick ups have been leaving from up here in the north on their way to Bangkok for days. Paid leave of course and somewhat of a holiday for the red army.

The Thai baht is copping a hammering,investor confidence is heading south, exports are down,growth forecast has been revised downwards, tourists are cancelling in large numbers, as they don't realise its limited to a smallish area of Bangkok,But as you say its business as usual in BS.

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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by yoursTruly » 03 Dec 2013 02:31

The heat's on for Yingluck. I just hope it doesn't lead to civil war. The war is between the rich and the rest of us, not between Thais and Thais. It reminds me of a quote:

"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."

That's what the rich are always doing through wars, at home and abroad.
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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by yoursTruly » 03 Dec 2013 02:47

Drone coverage over protest area. Yikes!!
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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by yoursTruly » 03 Dec 2013 03:40

"Suthep a son of the elite with an axe to grind"...

Some support that this is a fight between two rich factions, each duping their army of naive supporters to fight for them.

"...But many observers regard Suthep as merely the frontman for a shadowy coalition of conservatives long opposed to Thaksin, Puea Thai and their populist policies which guarantee them overwhelming support among the rural poor. "The people behind these protests are the same people behind the 2006 coup. It's impossible that Suthep is acting alone," said Kan Yuenyong, executive director of the Siam Intelligence Unit, a Bangkok think tank."

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1 ... -axe-grind

(this piece is pretty pro-government, but it does show the other side of the thing)
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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

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Put the Youtube (not youtu.be or https or anything else) link in, highlight it and click the youtube button above the posting window (where the formatting stuff is) and it will embed the video.
Its not as clear cut as simply rich versus poor - many poor (or non-elite) from the south have travelled to Bangkok to protest and this is why:

http://havingmetime.wordpress.com/2013/ ... i-protest/

Thais are sick of the rampant corruption and blatant abuses of power that go hand in hand with this government and the Shinawatras. Democracy here isn't going to happen overnight, the greedy and corrupt families and politicians (including Suthep) need to be out of the picture first.

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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by Big Boy » 03 Dec 2013 09:14

The video is interesting in that numerous projectiles (I assume tear gas) are being fired into seemingly unpopulated areas, while the protestors are being left in mobs to do their thing.

Are they firing their projectiles to keep protesters herded like sheep in a smaller area?
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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by Mike Parker » 03 Dec 2013 19:38

buksida wrote:

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Put the Youtube (not youtu.be or https or anything else) link in, highlight it and click the youtube button above the posting window (where the formatting stuff is) and it will embed the video.
Its not as clear cut as simply rich versus poor - many poor (or non-elite) from the south have travelled to Bangkok to protest and this is why:

http://havingmetime.wordpress.com/2013/ ... i-protest/

Thais are sick of the rampant corruption and blatant abuses of power that go hand in hand with this government and the Shinawatras. Democracy here isn't going to happen overnight, the greedy and corrupt families and politicians (including Suthep) need to be out of the picture first.
My old students, I taught in Bangkok, regularly keep in touch with me and for the first time they were out on the streets last weekend joining in a peaceful protest.These are students that are now in their mid to late 20's and well educated. They were unanimous that their main motivation was that they are sick to death of politicians ,of all colours and persuasions,who allow this country to continue its corrupt practices at all levels. Thailand is on a slippery slope but the rich and powerful don't care as ultimately it doesn't effect them in the slightest. I have always believed that education is the key to a country reaching its potential, you only have to look at Singapore to see the benefits of their forward thinking. Sadly Thailand is on the bottom rung
and appears to have no interest in improving standards and its not in some people interests for that to ever happen.

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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by yoursTruly » 04 Dec 2013 13:21

buksida wrote: Its not as clear cut as simply rich versus poor - many poor (or non-elite) from the south have travelled to Bangkok to protest.
But I think this is still consistent with what I said. I suppose the poor people from both sides (north and south) blame the rich of the other side--with their stranglehold over politics and power, and the corruption that results from it. You know much more about the situation than I do because you live there. All I can do is extrapolate from US politics and what I read about Thai politics.

In the US, the Democrats see rich Republican 'conservatives' as the enemy, and the Republicans see rich Democrat 'liberals' as the enemy. Each side likes their rich guys and hates the other side's. Neither realizes that all the rich, in one way or another are out to screw all the poor (and the middle class too), and that they both have a lot more in common with each other than they do with any of the rich.

It's obvious that Taksin and his cronies are rich. It's less clear (to me) who the rich are behind the Yellow Shirts. But I'll bet they're there, and that they pulled strings for themselves when they were in power. So corruption is guaranteed, no matter who gets in. All the drama is simply over which segment of the rich class gets to be in charge--who collects payoffs, kickbacks, insider trading profits, etc, and who doesn't. The people get shafted in either case. They are only necessary to rubber stamp this farce of a democracy at every election.

The solution is probably for the Yellow Shirts to unite with the Red Shirts. (That would scare the shit out of status quo.) But, like in the US, the rich, through their politicians, skillfully divide and conquer.
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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by buksida » 05 Dec 2013 13:09

There is an excellent summary here (if you can get it, the site has already been hacked to have it taken down): http://atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia ... 31213.html

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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by yoursTruly » 09 Dec 2013 00:16

buksida wrote:There is an excellent summary here (if you can get it, the site has already been hacked to have it taken down): http://atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia ... 31213.html
Interesting summary, thanks! Sounds like a real mess. The US is no doubt looking for an amenable Thai government that will allow US corporations to exploit the country via the Trans Pacific Partnership. The Taksin admin is made for the part.
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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by yoursTruly » 09 Dec 2013 01:31

A Ramkhamhaeng Diary: an Eye Witness Account

Wed, 04/12/2013 - 12:47 | by Prachatai Sittiporn Jorradol
Note: the article was written in Thai and first published on Prachatai on December 3, 2013.
Translated by Tyrell Haberkorn

On Saturday, 30 November 2013, the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD), the largest official Red Shirt organization, held a rally at Rajamangala Stadium near Ramkhamhaeng University. The demonstration was intended to be in support of the elected Pheu Thai government of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, and in response to the then-ongoing protests against the government led by Suthep Thaugsuban, former Democrat MP and former Deputy PM under Abhisit Vejjajiva, who was recently indicted for premeditated murder for his role in the April-May 2010 crackdown on the Red Shirt protests. That evening, violence broke out near the university.

What is known about the events of the evening of 30 November is that 4 people died, 1 Ramkhamhaeng University student and 3 Red Shirts, and many people were injured. But the precise nature of the violence and the actors involved (both on the streets and at the level of direction) remains obscured. Against the lack of clarity, the eyewitness account below was published yesterday in Thai [“บันทึก 30 พ.ย.2556 ‘สมรภูมิรามคำแหง’”]. I chose to translate it because I see it as an interruption of the lack of clarity about this incident — this lack of clarity is at once political and a constituent component of violence.

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http://prachatai.com/english/node/3778
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Re: Graphic pictures and videos from the Bangkok protests.

Post by Mike Parker » 09 Dec 2013 09:16

As I post, 9.15 am Monday, media are reporting that Yingluck has announced the dissolution of parliament after all the Democrats resigned.

So another election and almost certainly another victory for PT and the Shinawatra's with maybe a reduced majority. Does it solve anything ?

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